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So I'm going to get my daughter a 4x12 cabinet for her starter rig (we know this shit will come to me if she doesn't stick with the guitar). And my question is, what is there to look for in getting a quality cab?

I currently own an old 90's Randall 4x12 cab with Jaguar speakers and it does great. I've seen where older Krank cabs are good due to construction and whatnot, but I wasn't sure if there was more to it than that. I never went down the speaker rabbit hole, so I don't know how much that matters.

Just thought I'd ask see what y'all thought and recommended.


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What kind of music does she like?
Are you willing to buy used?

Stuff to look for.
Plywood, as opposed to particle board.
normal (full) size, as opposed to compact.
decent speakers, as opposed to crappy entry level speakers.

I kind of like metal grills and carpeting because they are indestructible.

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avoid the marshall mg cabs.

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I have a Krank 4x12 cab that is about 8-10 years old. It slays- punches you in the gut more so than other cabs.
Most from this time period (if not all) came with Eminence speakers, Heats and/or Legends. Texas Heats will not hold up to modern detuned metal but would sound good for rock/blues. Surprising as a lot of these cabs have a Dimebag picture on it so one might think metal muscle. I guess Dime's razor sharp solid state tone in E worked well with Heats? Did not work for me on anything beyond gritty Zepplein tone (buit that was way cool).

Legends I loved for a long while- it is versatile and can deliver detuned modern metal chugs...but then one day I heard something in the tone and my love turned to hate. It now has k100s and v30s in it so now back to love.

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what style of music does she play? 4x12s are not as popular anymore except for some metal/doom/stoner styles etc...

Chances are even if she sticks with guitar she might not want the 4x12 down the road. I'd suggest get her a 2x12 instead...

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Older Peavey 412MS Butcher/VTM cabs are all plywood, solid as hell and the Sheffield speakers they used in them sound good. Some of them even came with G12K100 Celestions in them. Those cabs can be found for $150 pretty easily.


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Older Peavey 412MS Butcher/VTM cabs are all plywood, solid as hell and the Sheffield speakers they used in them sound good. Some of them even came with G12K100 Celestions in them. Those cabs can be found for $150 pretty easily.

The 2x12 version also kicks ass. My absolute favorite cabs of all time. OF ALL TIME.


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Riffraff wrote:
Older Peavey 412MS Butcher/VTM cabs are all plywood, solid as hell and the Sheffield speakers they used in them sound good. Some of them even came with G12K100 Celestions in them. Those cabs can be found for $150 pretty easily.



love mine. i think it has k85s which are basically the same as k100s.


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BroSlinger wrote:
What kind of music does she like?
Are you willing to buy used?

Stuff to look for.
Plywood, as opposed to particle board.
normal (full) size, as opposed to compact.
decent speakers, as opposed to crappy entry level speakers.

I kind of like metal grills and carpeting because they are indestructible.


She's 5.5, so for music she likes pretty much everything at this point, with the exception of S.O.D. (at this point).

I have no issues with buying used and would actually prefer too. I'll take note of the full sized plywood cab, thank you!


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Riffraff wrote:
Older Peavey 412MS Butcher/VTM cabs are all plywood, solid as hell and the Sheffield speakers they used in them sound good. Some of them even came with G12K100 Celestions in them. Those cabs can be found for $150 pretty easily.


I will take note of this one, thank you!


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what style of music does she play? 4x12s are not as popular anymore except for some metal/doom/stoner styles etc...

Chances are even if she sticks with guitar she might not want the 4x12 down the road. I'd suggest get her a 2x12 instead...


She doesn't play anything at the moment. She wants a guitar that'll fit her size, because a full sized guitar is way too big for her at the moment. I just figured I'd go with another 4x12 in case she doesn't stick with it and I can use it :D

But you're right that the overall size might not be the best thing where a 2x12 would be better suited. I'll have to keep that in mind, thank you!


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linthat22 wrote:
BroSlinger wrote:
What kind of music does she like?
Are you willing to buy used?

Stuff to look for.
Plywood, as opposed to particle board.
normal (full) size, as opposed to compact.
decent speakers, as opposed to crappy entry level speakers.

I kind of like metal grills and carpeting because they are indestructible.


She's 5.5, so for music she likes pretty much everything at this point, with the exception of S.O.D. (at this point).

I have no issues with buying used and would actually prefer too. I'll take note of the full sized plywood cab, thank you!


FWIW,

I've owned 8 4x12's. I'm considering selling my last 2.

They just take up space, and I have a pair of Pacific ported/open 2x12's that sound better to me now.

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Riffraff wrote:
Older Peavey 412MS Butcher/VTM cabs are all plywood, solid as hell and the Sheffield speakers they used in them sound good. Some of them even came with G12K100 Celestions in them. Those cabs can be found for $150 pretty easily.


I could be wrong, but I think all of the original Butcher/VTM cabs came with G12K85s. Sheffields came later with 5150 cabs.

I've had two of the Butcher cabs and will attest that they are virtually indestructible and sound fantastic.


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linthat22 wrote:
GuitarBilly wrote:
what style of music does she play? 4x12s are not as popular anymore except for some metal/doom/stoner styles etc...

Chances are even if she sticks with guitar she might not want the 4x12 down the road. I'd suggest get her a 2x12 instead...


She doesn't play anything at the moment. She wants a guitar that'll fit her size, because a full sized guitar is way too big for her at the moment. I just figured I'd go with another 4x12 in case she doesn't stick with it and I can use it :D

But you're right that the overall size might not be the best thing where a 2x12 would be better suited. I'll have to keep that in mind, thank you!


The funny thing is, around here at least used 4X12s are all over the place, but 2X12s are much harder to find and more expensive.


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ZEEGLER wrote:
Riffraff wrote:
Older Peavey 412MS Butcher/VTM cabs are all plywood, solid as hell and the Sheffield speakers they used in them sound good. Some of them even came with G12K100 Celestions in them. Those cabs can be found for $150 pretty easily.


I could be wrong, but I think all of the original Butcher/VTM cabs came with G12K85s. Sheffields came later with 5150 cabs.

I've had two of the Butcher cabs and will attest that they are virtually indestructible and sound fantastic.

MC cabs = Celestions g12k85
MS cab = Peavey Sheffield

My son has the 412MS and the Sheffields should pretty good but I much prefer the cabs with g12k85s.


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Yarbicus wrote:
ZEEGLER wrote:
Riffraff wrote:
Older Peavey 412MS Butcher/VTM cabs are all plywood, solid as hell and the Sheffield speakers they used in them sound good. Some of them even came with G12K100 Celestions in them. Those cabs can be found for $150 pretty easily.


I could be wrong, but I think all of the original Butcher/VTM cabs came with G12K85s. Sheffields came later with 5150 cabs.

I've had two of the Butcher cabs and will attest that they are virtually indestructible and sound fantastic.

MC cabs = Celestions g12k85
MS cab = Peavey Sheffield

My son has the 412MS and the Sheffields should pretty good but I much prefer the cabs with g12k85s.


The MS designation doesn't correlate to the speakers; it's just a slant cabinet model. I had an early 1986 412MS with stock K85's. Straight version is 412M.

They all came with Sheffields around the time the logo switched to silver and piping changed to black.


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What cabs do you like? get something that you can see yourself gigging with and using. Two reasons, your taste in gear isn't shit, and if she doesn't stick with it you have something you'd like.

Also, those Peavey cabs are awesome, but I'd steer clear of em for her because they weigh a metric fuck ton and that may deter her from wanting to use it when she has to lug that big bastard around.

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To OP: Krank 4x12 cabs (the Revolution is most common--the one without Dimebag's face in the corner) are kind of odd. They're solid pine rather than plywood (less percussive, more resonant, lighter), in addition to being front-loaded, oversized and ported. They're loaded with Eminence Legend V12 speakers as someone else pointed out. It's very much a "metal" cab and far from the traditional design.

Good cabs on the cheap include:

Crate Blue Voodoo 4x12 with V30s (they have a badge in the corner)
Line6 Spider Valve 412VS with V30s
Peavey 412MS with K85s

Even something like a run-of-the-mill 5150 cab would be fine for your purposes. Sheffield speakers are OK, and the construction quality is good (solid plywood and all that).


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I can vouch for the Blue Voodoo cab. They’re way better built than you would think and if its already equipped with Celestions you’re gold.

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Snave wrote:
Yarbicus wrote:
ZEEGLER wrote:
Riffraff wrote:
Older Peavey 412MS Butcher/VTM cabs are all plywood, solid as hell and the Sheffield speakers they used in them sound good. Some of them even came with G12K100 Celestions in them. Those cabs can be found for $150 pretty easily.


I could be wrong, but I think all of the original Butcher/VTM cabs came with G12K85s. Sheffields came later with 5150 cabs.

I've had two of the Butcher cabs and will attest that they are virtually indestructible and sound fantastic.

MC cabs = Celestions g12k85
MS cab = Peavey Sheffield

My son has the 412MS and the Sheffields should pretty good but I much prefer the cabs with g12k85s.


The MS designation doesn't correlate to the speakers; it's just a slant cabinet model. I had an early 1986 412MS with stock K85's. Straight version is 412M.

They all came with Sheffields around the time the logo switched to silver and piping changed to black.

I have owned MC and MS cabs (currently my son has the 412MS). Every MC cab had Celestions and every MS cab had Sheffields and they were ALL slant cabs. I have also been told that the S = Stereo but every cab I owned could be run in stereo. :idk:


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Regardless this a great time to buy a 412 since no one else wants them.


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Snave wrote:
To OP: Krank 4x12 cabs (the Revolution is most common--the one without Dimebag's face in the corner) are kind of odd. They're solid pine rather than plywood (less percussive, more resonant, lighter), in addition to being front-loaded, oversized and ported. They're loaded with Eminence Legend V12 speakers as someone else pointed out. It's very much a "metal" cab and far from the traditional design.

Good cabs on the cheap include:

Crate Blue Voodoo 4x12 with V30s (they have a badge in the corner)
Line6 Spider Valve 412VS with V30s
Peavey 412MS with K85s

Even something like a run-of-the-mill 5150 cab would be fine for your purposes. Sheffield speakers are OK, and the construction quality is good (solid plywood and all that).


Dammit. Now I want a solid pine krank. Sounds like it would be a tone monster.

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linthat22 wrote:
BroSlinger wrote:
What kind of music does she like?
Are you willing to buy used?

Stuff to look for.
Plywood, as opposed to particle board.
normal (full) size, as opposed to compact.
decent speakers, as opposed to crappy entry level speakers.

I kind of like metal grills and carpeting because they are indestructible.


She's 5.5, so for music she likes pretty much everything at this point, with the exception of S.O.D. (at this point).

I have no issues with buying used and would actually prefer too. I'll take note of the full sized plywood cab, thank you!


She's 5 1/2 years old?!?!


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Jet City cabd are also great. Solid build and loaded with JCA branded Eminence Legends.


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Second the Peavey cabs. Dirt cheap (compared to everyone else), built to withstand decades of bar gigging, and the stock speakers aren’t bad. If I didn’t live in an apartment, and if I actually had a need for two more 412s, they’d be Peaveys, unless THD made a 412 slant...


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