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Cole sent me a black Gotoh Floyd the other day (thank again man!!! :hug: ) so I could change the hardware to black on my USA Soloist. I started doing it last night but halfway through the process I changed my mind and decided the chrome actually looked better. Do you know when you have an idea in your mind of how something is going to look but when you actually do it, it's not the same? So yeah, that happened.

Anyway, I decided to put the Gotoh trem in my MIJ Dinky to replace the stock Jackson licensed trem. Holy shit, what an upgrade!!! That guitar was very dark and dull sounding and the Gotoh Floyd completely changed that! The tone is now punchy and lively, without doing anything to the pickups or electronic. I didn't realize a bridge could make THAT much of a difference in tone. I knew the trem action was going to be smoother and more stable (and it is) but I didn't expect it to have that much effect on the tone. That guitar was on the chopping block and now it's definitely a keeper. Learned a new lesson here.

I'm starting to think that Gotoh makes best hardware out there. My Les Paul Classic with Gotoh tuners is the most stable (tuning) Les Paul I have. Now this bridge just woke the Dinky's tone up. It's probably not a coincidence.

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Cole sent me a black Gotoh Floyd the other day (thank again man!!! :hug: ) so I could change the hardware to black on my USA Soloist. I started doing it last night but halfway through the process I changed my mind and decided the chrome actually looked better. Do you know when you have an idea in your mind of how something is going to look but when you actually do it, it's not the same? So yeah, that happened.

Anyway, I decided to put the Gotoh trem in my MIJ Dinky to replace the stock Jackson licensed trem. Holy shit, what an upgrade!!! That guitar was very dark and dull sounding and the Gotoh Floyd completely changed that! The tone is now punchy and lively, without doing anything to the pickups or electronic. I didn't realize a bridge could make THAT much of a difference in tone. I knew the trem action was going to be smoother and more stable (and it is) but I didn't expect it to have that much effect on the tone. That guitar was on the chopping block and now it's definitely a keeper. Learned a new lesson here.

I'm starting to think that Gotoh makes best hardware out there. My Les Paul Classic with Gotoh tuners is the most stable (tuning) Les Paul I have. Now this bridge just woke the Dinky's tone up. It's probably not a coincidence.


Do you know what model bridge?


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GuitarBilly wrote:

I'm starting to think that Gotoh makes best hardware out there. My Les Paul Classic with Gotoh tuners is the most stable (tuning) Les Paul I have. Now this bridge just woke the Dinky's tone up. It's probably not a coincidence.


DING DING DING! I agree. I've been saying this for a few years. It always sounds good. It always stays in tune. The price is right.

I don't think I've built a Warmoth without Gotoh tuners at least. I'm starting to think all of their bridges sound better than their blingy counterparts that cost twice as much. (I'm looking at you, Callaham).

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Gotoh Floyds are excellent. Most likely a GE-1996T. I believe those were what EBMM used on the Axis for the longest time too.

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Gotoh bridges are excellent. I'm a big fan of their hardware. The bridge on my Telebird is excellent. Price is always right too.

I still prefer the Hipshot tuners on my builds to the Gotoh ones on my Les Paul but they're both excellent.

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Definitey chrome on that soloist. But it happens. Many of my builds change as I’m in the process. Go in with an idea and it often changes as shit takes shape. But the more I do it the better my vision at he outset is

Gotoh Floyd is by far best value. And it’s quality is great. On my personal guitars I usually use the Schaller Floyd or OFR, but I have t bought a new one OFR in Years. As both the Schaller and Gotoh are cheaper Altho it appears the Schaller has jacked up their prices. I usually buy Gotoh for any build that I do to sell or I recommend to someone I’m building for. It’s def the most stable and the smoothest feeling when actually USINg the bar.

Personally I find they are the brightest of the 3 I mentioned. Not in a bad way and the perfect answer for a dark sounding guitar. But even with the Schaller and it’s little issues I just find it’s the best sounding for my tastes

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Interesting. I have a Schaller Floyd on a guitar I never play anymore and though about swapping out the MIK Floyd Special that is on my RR24. No experience with the Gotoh stuff that I can remember.

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I Have wanted to try the GE-1996T. for years. I always hear it is the best replacement Floyd. Very much like the Ibanez Edge Tremelos (which I think Gotoh made for Ibanez).

I would try one, but most of my guitars have the Floyd FRT-1000, which seems pretty good overall. I havent had a reason to replace them... except for their POS bar.


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I have an Ibanez RG and I threw one in and man what an upgrade in tuning stability and comfort.
I wasn't using guitar at all and I thought about putting this bridge in and giving the guitar to my nephew for him to begin on but I'm thinking now I may have to find him something else. This thing is sounding real good and may be the best feeling bridge I have.
Only problem is, is the block sticks up a bit high, so high I can't use the back cover. Any idea what size block I need for this?


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GuitarBilly wrote:
Cole sent me a black Gotoh Floyd the other day (thank again man!!! :hug: ) so I could change the hardware to black on my USA Soloist. I started doing it last night but halfway through the process I changed my mind and decided the chrome actually looked better. Do you know when you have an idea in your mind of how something is going to look but when you actually do it, it's not the same? So yeah, that happened.

Anyway, I decided to put the Gotoh trem in my MIJ Dinky to replace the stock Jackson licensed trem. Holy shit, what an upgrade!!! That guitar was very dark and dull sounding and the Gotoh Floyd completely changed that! The tone is now punchy and lively, without doing anything to the pickups or electronic. I didn't realize a bridge could make THAT much of a difference in tone. I knew the trem action was going to be smoother and more stable (and it is) but I didn't expect it to have that much effect on the tone. That guitar was on the chopping block and now it's definitely a keeper. Learned a new lesson here.

I'm starting to think that Gotoh makes best hardware out there. My Les Paul Classic with Gotoh tuners is the most stable (tuning) Les Paul I have. Now this bridge just woke the Dinky's tone up. It's probably not a coincidence.


Do you know what model bridge?


I believe it's the GE-1996T. Cole can confirm it.
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I Have wanted to try the GE-1996T. for years. I always hear it is the best replacement Floyd. Very much like the Ibanez Edge Tremelos (which I think Gotoh made for Ibanez).

I would try one, but most of my guitars have the Floyd FRT-1000, which seems pretty good overall. I havent had a reason to replace them... except for their POS bar.


Yeah the bar on the Gotoh is really cool. I love how you can adjust the tension exactly with the set screw.

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I have an Ibanez RG and I threw one in and man what an upgrade in tuning stability and comfort.
I wasn't using guitar at all and I thought about putting this bridge in and giving the guitar to my nephew for him to begin on but I'm thinking now I may have to find him something else. This thing is sounding real good and may be the best feeling bridge I have.
Only problem is, is the block sticks up a bit high, so high I can't use the back cover. Any idea what size block I need for this?

Best bet is to measure the block you have now. Normally a 32 or 35 will fit, but every guitar is different.

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Awesome to hear Billy! It is such an awesome unit. If I ever had a choice in which could be put on a guitar, it would be the Gotoh GE-1996T :thu: It definitely has a refined feel in action and feel under my hand compared to the clunkier OFR. Both units are great, but I like the Gotoh more.

It is that exact model, the GE-1996T.

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Schaller makes the best hardware out there. I'll never agree to anything else. Gotoh... the good stuff (which i believe is all made by Schaller, like the OFR is) is great stuff for sure, but they have their cheapo line too, which really screws them i think.

That said, I like the Schaller trem more than the OFR, even though i know Schaller makes both. Pretty sure the Gotoh trem is made by Schaller as well. I fond both to be better than the OFR in terms of overall tone. I prefer the Schaller branded one because of the shorter locking screws popping out the back of the trem

The Jackson branded Floyd's are potted garbage.

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Schaller makes the best hardware out there. I'll never agree to anything else. Gotoh... the good stuff (which i believe is all made by Schaller, like the OFR is) is great stuff for sure, but they have their cheapo line too, which really screws them i think.

That said, I like the Schaller trem more than the OFR, even though i know Schaller makes both. Pretty sure the Gotoh trem is made by Schaller as well. I fond both to be better than the OFR in terms of overall tone. I prefer the Schaller branded one because of the shorter locking screws popping out the back of the trem

The Jackson branded Floyd's are potted garbage.

I’m with ya on most of that, but I actually don’t think the Schaller’s are best made. There are issues I find with them specific. Namely there is not a consistent spacing of their saddles. I e had more than one Schaller have the saddle vibrate while playing, because there is play between other saddle or the string lock screws are vibrating where they extend thru the plate. Also the bar ALWAYS coming loose and have to be constantly tightened. And yet I still use em most for some reason. The Gotoh has the most stable bar. Gotoh is def made in Japan. I guess that doesn’t mean there ain’t a Schaller plant there. Lol. I also have a Korean made Special with the same Screw down bar as the Schaller and it NEVER comes loose and this is the $90 special. Which look, I’m a fan of “quality” metal and I have had pot metal saddles crack on me but that lower grade Special sounds as good as any of the good Floyd’s I have so I’m a even a fan of those

Floyd Rose 1000 series, which is their high end now too are made in Korea as well and as far as I can tell are made the true old way with a bent steel plate. The one I had was awesome and if I were to have more time with it I’d wager it might actually be the best one these days.. the tolerances just seemed really spot on

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atrox wrote:
Schaller makes the best hardware out there. I'll never agree to anything else. Gotoh... the good stuff (which i believe is all made by Schaller, like the OFR is) is great stuff for sure, but they have their cheapo line too, which really screws them i think.

That said, I like the Schaller trem more than the OFR, even though i know Schaller makes both. Pretty sure the Gotoh trem is made by Schaller as well. I fond both to be better than the OFR in terms of overall tone. I prefer the Schaller branded one because of the shorter locking screws popping out the back of the trem

The Jackson branded Floyd's are potted garbage.

I’m with ya on most of that, but I actually don’t think the Schaller’s are best made. There are issues I find with them specific. Namely there is not a consistent spacing of their saddles. I e had more than one Schaller have the saddle vibrate while playing, because there is play between other saddle or the string lock screws are vibrating where they extend thru the plate. And yet I still use em most for some reason. Gotoh is def made in Japan. I guess that doesn’t mean there ain’t a Schaller plant there. Lol.

Floyd Rose 1000 series, which is their high end now too are made in Korea and as far as I can tell are made the true old way with a bent steel plate. The one I had was awesome and if I were to have more time with it I’d wager it might actually be the best one these days.. the tolerances just seemed really spot on


Fair enough, but i have yet to have that issue with Schaller products. As far as them making Gotoh higher end stuff. that was something someone told me, but i was always skeptical of. That's why i always say that with a caveat. Schaller only makes the OFR for Floyd. The 1000, i thought was just a low profile Floyd, but i never really looked into it. I'm talking about the OFR specifically.

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Schaller makes the best hardware out there. I'll never agree to anything else. Gotoh... the good stuff (which i believe is all made by Schaller, like the OFR is) is great stuff for sure, but they have their cheapo line too, which really screws them i think.

That said, I like the Schaller trem more than the OFR, even though i know Schaller makes both. Pretty sure the Gotoh trem is made by Schaller as well. I fond both to be better than the OFR in terms of overall tone. I prefer the Schaller branded one because of the shorter locking screws popping out the back of the trem

The Jackson branded Floyd's are potted garbage.

I’m with ya on most of that, but I actually don’t think the Schaller’s are best made. There are issues I find with them specific. Namely there is not a consistent spacing of their saddles. I e had more than one Schaller have the saddle vibrate while playing, because there is play between other saddle or the string lock screws are vibrating where they extend thru the plate. And yet I still use em most for some reason. Gotoh is def made in Japan. I guess that doesn’t mean there ain’t a Schaller plant there. Lol.

Floyd Rose 1000 series, which is their high end now too are made in Korea and as far as I can tell are made the true old way with a bent steel plate. The one I had was awesome and if I were to have more time with it I’d wager it might actually be the best one these days.. the tolerances just seemed really spot on


Fair enough, but i have yet to have that issue with Schaller products. As far as them making Gotoh higher end stuff. that was something someone told me, but i was always skeptical of. That's why i always say that with a caveat. Schaller only makes the OFR for Floyd. The 1000, i thought was just a low profile Floyd, but i never really looked into it. I'm talking about the OFR specifically.
i think there is only the 1000 Pro from Korea. But there is also a “regular “ German made pro. I think they are manufactured slightly different, but both use the same materials and the Korean made has original string spacing. Be the slightly more narrow space on the German

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Goh- toh if you want pronounce the correct Japanese way. But I guess we can say it anyway we want :lol:

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But even with the Schaller and it’s little issues I just find it’s the best sounding for my tastes


I definitely prefer the sound of a Schaller floyd over an OFR too.

I've never owned a Gotoh Floyd unless the Ibanez Edge counts (those are made by Gotoh, right?)

I do love the original Edge :fap:

I also love the Gotoh Magnum locking tuners....no dumb knobs to fuck with


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atrox wrote:
Schaller makes the best hardware out there. I'll never agree to anything else. Gotoh... the good stuff (which i believe is all made by Schaller, like the OFR is) is great stuff for sure, but they have their cheapo line too, which really screws them i think.

That said, I like the Schaller trem more than the OFR, even though i know Schaller makes both. Pretty sure the Gotoh trem is made by Schaller as well. I fond both to be better than the OFR in terms of overall tone. I prefer the Schaller branded one because of the shorter locking screws popping out the back of the trem

The Jackson branded Floyd's are potted garbage.

I’m with ya on most of that, but I actually don’t think the Schaller’s are best made. There are issues I find with them specific. Namely there is not a consistent spacing of their saddles. I e had more than one Schaller have the saddle vibrate while playing, because there is play between other saddle or the string lock screws are vibrating where they extend thru the plate. Also the bar ALWAYS coming loose and have to be constantly tightened. And yet I still use em most for some reason. The Gotoh has the most stable bar. Gotoh is def made in Japan. I guess that doesn’t mean there ain’t a Schaller plant there. Lol. I also have a Korean made Special with the same Screw down bar as the Schaller and it NEVER comes loose and this is the $90 special. Which look, I’m a fan of “quality” metal and I have had pot metal saddles crack on me but that lower grade Special sounds as good as any of the good Floyd’s I have so I’m a even a fan of those

Floyd Rose 1000 series, which is their high end now too are made in Korea as well and as far as I can tell are made the true old way with a bent steel plate. The one I had was awesome and if I were to have more time with it I’d wager it might actually be the best one these days.. the tolerances just seemed really spot on


I have the FRT-1000 on like 4 or 5 guitars, and I have had very little issues with them other than needing to buy a new bar for 2 of them. They started doing the unscrewing all the time thing. I got a Schaller bar replacement for one of them, and recently got another, but ended up getting the Special bar instead. It was funky also, but then I learned the ball-point-pin-spring trick which has helped dramatically. I have had all kinds of Floyds through the years, and I have no complaints on the 1000. It seems to be the go-to on the ~$1000 MIK guitars. I would like to try the Gotoh, but I just haven't had a reason to replace any of my 1000 Floyds.


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The only stock trem I cared for on Jackson/Charvel was the Takeuchi bridge. 6's 580's, etc always got rid of em. Actually the same with the stock bridge on the MGT. Swapped it out and was quite happy.

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